From the book: “Relational Holiness – Responding to the Call of Love.” By Thomas J. Oord and Michael Lodahl.  What does it mean to say you believe? (20:54) The Apostle Paul supports what Jordan Peterson is saying here about the challenge toward being good. “14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but...